Diario de fred4win, 05 may. 16

I agree completely, Fred! 

Yes! Exercise because you like to not because you need to. It took a forum post on BB of some overweight guy who lost 100lbs+, regretted not lifting heavy to preserve all that muscle he had because of his weight and had to start from scratch once he reached is goal weight for me to start hitting the gym and lifting as heavy as possible which done wonders for my health, self-esteem, strength, general overall conditioning. I've got some long term goals of pull-up/push-up(s) and bench for reps and I'm making progress. It irks me when people do a ton of cardio, thinking that that offsets their poor food choices. 1 minute to eat a donut is worth an hour of your life trying to rectify that decision? You've got serious food issues. I blame the fitness industry with all those cardio options to count calories burned when the machines do not take into account the metabolic fitness level of the user. Anyways, great post Fred! 

I am not sure if that is true. A friend of a friend of mine has just updated this on facebook today: Lost 16 pounds in one month ...... Walked/Jogged - 167 miles/268.76 KM. Heart rate change - 84 to 76. I am eating everything no diet. https://www.facebook.com/tazeemansari/posts/10209286632463319 

I've consistently lost sixteen pounds in sixteen days with minimal exercise.  

Regarding point #4, If I go running for 30min in the hills it generates about a 600 cal deficit, similarly with cycling for 60min. That's an additional 1 or 2 meals.  

i guess 600 calories is also like 1 doughnut and a whole milk latte.. 

IMHO, there just isn't a fair exchange for a doughnut and a latte to cost you 30 minute to an hour of your life to 'undo', for those of us looking to 'undo' the weight gain. For someone looking to gain weight, it looks to be rather effective. :D 

Great post Fred, nice comments Frosty and all...there are many, many good reasons to exercise and resistance train...losing weight is not at the top of the list, although it certainly helps weight loss if the diet is looked after first and foremost. Mobility as we age, strength and endurance to enjoy a higher quality of life, improved health with reference to cardio vascular and type 2 diabetes are my main motivators. I also love to powder ski in the back country...strength and endurance not only make this possible, it makes it fun!! Exercise will also help shape your body....just be careful and don't wear out those joints. Jordan, I track my training pretty well and it is painful how much work goes into offsetting an ittsy, bitsy bowl of ice cream...lol. Have a great week!! 

Oh ya, I was on a 8 year "bulking cycle".... I've been "cutting" for the last 9 months. :-) 

Doing long interval cardio makes your body more efficient which makes it actually harder to lose weight. That's just a natural biological adaptation. Increasing NEAT is much more effective since it doesn't have the same biological response. The take away is exercise for fitness not weight loss. 

Hey Catherder, you are absolutely right...I experimented last fall with long interval, fat burning training and saw measurable improvements in my uphill sustained wattage and other performance markers...as a side benefit I melted some fat from a few stubborn places. I am pretty active so while I am more efficient I'm not sure how I would quantify the change.  

yes i see some non-believers and i am sure they made there comments without reading the report....catherder, steven phil frosty and warren i think you have the big picture...jordan and mureer read the 60 reports and you will see why the body does not allow a big fat loss when you exercise....like you i was also a non-believer...I was shocked when i read the reports...now it makes so much since to me what is going on in my body...i completely understand why its not great for weight loss. your diet is number one first and foremost. 

I have a job where I can sit on a recumbent bike and pedal all night at a light pace. It has raised my TDEE tremendously and allows me to eat as if I am bulking while losing fat. I guess it depends on how much time you have to exercise. I do agree that it is very easy to erase a deficit created through exercise, which is why I monitor my intake closely. 

I see people talking about a donut as if you need to do extra work to be able to enjoy one. Just fit it into your daily allotment of calories, and you don't have to worry abour working it off. Did you have to work off the other calories you ingested? The donut calories are no different. Just don't eat a whole box or it will get in the way of good nutrition. 

good post! 

I agree Diablo, I usually have room in my diet for a few treats here and there..., I just have to be careful as to timing, frequency and quantity. I have also used, as part of my weight maintenence strategy, "working off" planned and unplanned splurges, the only time I didn't do this was last Christmas season and I gained 5 pounds in about 3 weeks...I also include a calorie restrictive following day, or day before if planned, to keep the weekly or monthly numbers in line. Oh ya, I never eat donuts...ice cream on the other hand, has my number.   

"You can't outrun your mouth." I like that... 

100% Fred. I found logging exercise on here was difficult at best anyway. Maybe it's the types of exercise I do. There's no way of logging intensity either. Losing weight is about passes through us. Exercise has other benefits. 

Rick2038, love it.